There but for the grace...

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

For some time now I have not read blogs. I have been rather irritated by “all those blogger types” (as I labelled them in my mind) who imagine that they have something worthwhile or new to say and which thing everyone else would miss unless they pointed it out to them. I hear the from-the-hip (no pun intended) musings of sincere guys described as a “white-male-philosophical-conversation" (hyphens and all) and I proudly wonder who should be embarrassed: philosophy, white males or true conversationalists. I now realise that this attitude is a form of pride, so I read blogs again (when I have some time to do so). I am also going to try harder not to be one of those “strong silent type” pastors (who deliberately do not post on sites like this one). I am not emergent (I think I am beginning to see a little bit what that means now), but maybe, in some way something is emerging in me too. I, too, am increasingly disillusioned by much of what I am experiencing as a pastor within Evangelicalism: the American dream that has been turned into the gospel and vice versa; the rampant individualism; all those groupie actions and “teams”; the badly played Rock (I am not worried about what Rock is doing to the church; I am worried about what the church is doing to Rock). Having said all that, I remember the words of some saint: “There but for the grace of God go I”. Sometimes, in my case, it is: “there despite the grace of God go I”. So, I hang on and I even help with the bad Rock. I try to listen more. I try to hear more, from everyone. I realise more and more ever day why I am a Christian: I am a Christian because I am not good enough not to be one.

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You rock pastor

Willem
I like what I am hearing.
1. Try harder not to be one of those “strong silent type” pastors
Thank G-d. The pastor's skill is not leading the troops into battle, but holding the most intimate, painful aspects of life, and effecting transformation merely by presence.
2. Disillusioned by much of ... Evangelicalism
About time. Much of the church is merely a reflection of the traits like individualism and consumerism found in what Brueggemann calls "empire", quite the opposite of the Kingdom of G-d.
3. Worried about what the church is doing to Rock.
BLESSED BE. At last, someone with taste. Rock is my foundation, and once the USA started mass producing the British Invasion (late 1970-s onwards), G-d up and left Rock. Oh yes and about 10 years after that the church caught on to the U2charist. Aikhona!
4. Despite the grace of God go I.
I don't often say this, but "Amen brother". Our true failings are not our sins, but the extent to which we fail to appropriate Grace.

And so, I hereby declare you emergent.

Carl's picture

empire

Tell me more about 'empire', Nic. What is Brueggemann's understanding?

nicpaton's picture

"royal" vs "kingdom" consciousness

Hi Carl
I realise that I have mixed up Fox and Brueggemann. The Brug is an Old Testament teacher, and his notions in "The prophetic imagination" contrast the itinerancy of Moses with the settledness of Solomon. He calls this settledness the "Royal - " as opposed to Moses' "Kingdom - " Consciousness.

Matthew Fox on the other hand is deeply critical of "Empire" by which he means the Augustinian "Fall-Redemption" tradition exemplified by the Catholic Church. But dont quote me, may it was Nic Paton in fact who made all this up! I am not to clear at present.

Fact is, we can distinguish between the prophetic and something else, maybe the "religious".
The Brug says: (p23) "The entire program of Solomon appears to be a self-serving achievement with its sole purpose the self-securing of the king and dynasty ... which means a steady abandonment of the radicalness of the Mosaic vision." He identifies its core charactistics
1. A harem.
2. A system of state controlled taxation.
3. An elaborate beaurocracy.
4. A standing army.
5. An obsession with "wisdom" (here meaning an effort to rationalise reality).
6. Conscripted labour to support massive building projects.

In my thinking, this is quite applicable to any critique of Empire.

What dya reckon Carl?

Carl's picture

empire

I think my understanding of 'empire' has more to do with present socio-cultural realities than OT theology.

A good topic for a new thread.

nicpaton's picture

Contextualisation

If we are seeking contextualisation, then I'd say thoughts such as Breuggemanns are very valid. Appreciating Traditions (such as those of the Old Testament) gives us a framework within which to wrestle with current, specific realities.

Why not start that new thread?

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

Grace! Aimen!

Hi Nic,

Grace! Aimen (Is that spelt right?). Rock on!

Carl's picture

SGM

Willem, are you aware the American network called Sovereign Grace Ministries? "Reformed, with a significant charismatic dimension" is how they describe themselves. I'll post a few details here if you're interested?

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

Sounds interesting

Hey Carl,

No I am not. Would like to know more. Wayne Grudem involved in any way? (I know he's not really "charismatic", but I know Reformed Charismatics like his Systematic Theology as well as Williams').

Carl's picture

sovereign grace

CJ Mahaney is the main mover. Check it out here. I can recommend the preaching.

If you're still intrigued, Bruce MacKenzie (Empangeni BC) is your contact.

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

Really interesting

Hey Carl,

Really interesting. Reformed Baptists (except for the abscence of the 1689 which is probably to be attributed to their view of the gifts of the Holy Spirit)- Tongue-speaking Reformed Baptists! What is the church coming to? This is really scary!

Thanks for putting me onto this (I'll pray for you while I lie awake at night).

See you soon, Lord willing

Willem

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